GUS Daily Digest Thu, 10 Feb 94 0:07 Volume 11: Issue 8 Today's Topics: 32-Bit Sierra Drivers 3d demo 67khz 7th Guest GUS Patche [GUS] .INI files and Patches! (TREMSTR.PAT) DRAM's impossible to get in UK GUS0038.ZIP GUS and Disney games GUS Daily Digest V11 #7 GUS playback rates > 44.1 kHz GUS sound in Windows 3.1 Many questions No MIDI in Win 3.11/GUS 0038 OS/2 question PLAYFILE bug! Take 3 Rebel Assault with GUS and more... SBPro --> GUS line in Sound Digitizing under Windows environment Ultrasound Internet Archive Services - Tetris Pro update Ultrinit v2.16 Volume problem Will Ultima 8 have Gravis UltraSound support? (fwd) Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 09 Feb 94 08:14:01 PST From: pil!zapo@PacBell.COM (Zapo Zapper) Subject: 32-Bit Sierra Drivers Anyone care to say when the 32-bit Sierra Drivers are coming out? Gabriel KNight under windows doesn't like my video card, and keeps locking. Or, since I have a MPU-IPC-T card hooked up to a GM synth, just away to get 16-bit digital audio out of it. Also, is there a way to take advantage of the 'Sound Mapper' that installs itself when ytou install the VFW 1.1 runtime? -Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public Image Limited VBBS (510) 831-3634 [ASV] Guest Account open Home of VUUCP/2 USENet Interface! [VSP] VBBS 6.10 [Primary Dist. Site] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:21:17 -0700 (MST) From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" Subject: 3d demo Hi all. I just tried the 3d demo that came in gus0038 (which I finally managed to download), and all it does is put "Entering interactive mode..." on the screen and the freeze the computer. Does it require VGA? I still have Hercules on my 386 (:-) and sometimes VGA programs will freeze it up... -- _______ KB7PWD (_ | |_) shawn.rutledge@asu.edu __) | | \__________________________________________________________________ - electronics - techno - C - ham radio - cyberspace - GUS - IEEE - sci fi - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 94 18:08:13 EST From: Greg Subject: 67khz I downloaded the program that claims to update the GUS to 67 khz. The whole program sounds like a scam since it claims to change the internal memory of the Ultrasound's main processor. After setting up my virus protection software, I decided to try it. I ran the program, and all I got was a message claiming that the program could not find the GUS card. There was no damage to the GUS and I have since erased the program from my drive. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:47:06 -0500 (EST) From: David Rubin Subject: 7th Guest GUS Patche I heard that there is a patch out which will allow native Gravis sound thru the 7th Guest CD game. 2 things. First, is this true? And second, if it is true, where might I find it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 20:23:12 -0500 (EST) From: Timothy B Martin Subject: [GUS] .INI files and Patches! (TREMSTR.PAT) I upgraded to 3.1 as soon as it came out. However, i only today upgraded the 2.06 to 2.06a (i wanted the tremstr.pat!) So my question being this, in ULTRAMID.INI a long time ago, i took out the tremstr and changed it to marcato. So, logicly I changed my ultrasnd.ini and ultramid.ini patches 44 back to tremstr since i didn't like having to duplicate the marcato patch (since in both files it is also listed as patch 48) (see below) so far this is all making sense right? (course no one told me to do it this way..it's all logical thinking up to here) But what happens when i look at the default.cfg in the midi directry? Now this is where i get hung up! listed below the .ini files is one of the first lines from the .cfg file which states that tremstr is now #45! if you notice, the patches listed in default.cfg are all one number off from the ones in the ini files. so should i change any of this? or is this the way it's supposed to be..and WHY?? +-------------+----------------------------+--------------------------------+ |ultrasnd.ini |ultramid.ini | default.cfg | |44=tremstr |44, 40, 40, 40, 40, tremstr | # Revisions: | |45=pizzcato |45, 40, 40, 40, 45, pizzcato| # 06/29/93 - #45 is now TREMSTR| |46=harp |46, 24, 24, 46, 46, harp | 44 contraba | |47=timpani |47, 47, 47, 47, 47, timpani | 45 tremstr | |48=marcato |48, 51, 51, 48, 48, marcato | 46 pizzcato | | | | 47 harp | | | | 48 timpani | | | | 49 marcato | +-------------+----------------------------+--------------------------------+ Thanx in advance...i'm in such turmoil! ------------------=============> Tim! <===============--------------------- | Email? "Sleep is good, | | tm43+@andrew.cmu.edu Dreams are better." | | IRC - Xeltar ~A.J.C. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:28:56 -0216 (GMT-2:16) From: "J.Waghorn" Subject: DRAM's impossible to get in UK Help Can anyone in the UK get 44256 or equivalent DRAM chips without going to the L40 mark for 6 ???? It appears that several manufacturers have stopped producing them & left all us UK GUSsers in the lecherous money grabbing hands of RS (who charge 7.5 pounds each excluding VAT) Help anyone I need DRAM, but not that desperately. What do US/European companies charge to ship to UK ??? -- ************************************************************************* * Jason Waghorn * Tel: (+44) 091 515 2877 * * Research Assistant * Fax: (+44) 091 515 2703 * * School of Engineering and ***************************************** * Advanced Technology * j.waghorn@sunderland.ac.uk * * University of Sunderland * * * Sunderland * * * SR1 3SD * * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:19:08 ADT From: "Craig Galbraith" Subject: GUS0038.ZIP Hey there! I am also having problems with Playfile...only I get locked up after I record an SND file (I can't record WAV files...I get the error message too) MODUS doesn't work for certain MOD files. It shuts down and kicks me out of windows...(not that I mind exiting windows). I am also having problems getting the Gravis.exe demo to work. I'll try loading the playfile program first but I can't see why that would let it work. (BTW ... the demo worked with old gravis software) Other than that...I am pretty pleased with the new stuff. I like the 3D demos. Anybody know why the SETGUS.EXE program doesn't work with this new version? What about those 4 new patches...I wanna use them in my windows MIDI composers...how do I do that? I can only hear them when I load the new MIDI songs with playmidi. Oh well..that's all. Craig Galbraith j5oa@unbsj.ca are you phishsperienced? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:32:46 -0600 (CST) From: n2393@wind.cray.com (#Sharan Kalwani) Subject: GUS and Disney games I am trying to use my GUS with a Disney game (Mickey's Birthday Party). When I use the latest version of SBOS, the music sounds garbled and the voices are hard to understand. Using Mega-em helps a little (both music and voices are somewhat clearer), but as soon as I hit a key the game bombs. Any pointers ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 94 08:12:04 EST From: tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V11 #7 Your message on: Wed, 09 Feb 94 00:07:04 MST > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 1994 01:52:40 -0600 (CST) > From: Michael Yin as.edu> > Subject: line in? > ok, i have both a GUS and a SBPRO installed in my computer...both cards work > perfectly fine, but i want both cards to be routed to my stereo system, so i > tried to stick the output of the SBPRO into the line in of the GUS. Well, tha > t > didn't seem to work. However, if i stick the output of the SBPRO into the > output of the GUS, and then the output of the GUS to the stereo through the > amplified out of the GUS, it all seems to work...does this happen to anybody > else? I have a v2.4 card, and i tried it on my friend's v3.4 card, and the sa > me > things happen. The line in works prefectly fine in USS8 when i hook up a cd > player to the line in, but only after i turn on the line-in through the USS8 > program...the -l option in the ultrinit command doesn't seem to do anything f > or > me. Just wondering about this strange occurance. > > Mike > p.s. Is there any difference between routing the SBPRO through the GUS, or vi > ce > versa? I mean, does one way produce less noise, or are they about equal? Best way I think is to run the LINE out of the GUS to the line in on the SBPro. Make sure your SBPro mixer is set, or you won't hear a thing. I think this is a better arrangement than vice-versa because you can control the GUS volume using the line in portion of the mixer on the Pro (The Pro's mixer is notoriously versatile). Now run the SBPro out to your stereo or speakers or whatever. I've been doing this for about a year now with no problems. Good luck! -- tmcreek@eos.ncsu.edu \ "Thank you, sir. Would you like a bag? Senior Operator, NCSU CSC Dept. \ No. One woman in my life is enough." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one besides me would be caught dead claiming the views expressed here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 1994 11:12:14 -0500 From: davidm@marcam.com (David MacMahon) Subject: GUS playback rates > 44.1 kHz >RE: >I just got this file from a friend of mine, it was called gus-upd.zip >and it was a programm to update the memory on your gus so you can have >a playback rate of 67 KHz. I would like to know whether anyone has heard >of this before and knows if it will work. I haven't tried it yet, afraid >that it might damage my card. What does it do anyway? Does it reprogramm >an epromm on your gus? >----------- >You know, I've had this file for awhile, too.. Since early Jan. >Never wanted to try it out in case it was a bug or virus designed >by some miffed SB 16 user... :) hehehe! > >Anyone else know about it? I can put it on EPAS if needed. NOTE: If your want a quick answer, skip to the end of my message. The outputs of the GUS *always* change at 44100 Hz. If your data were sampled at 11025 Hz and you tell the GUS to play it back at 11025 Hz, the GUS will interpolate extra samples between each "real" sample (on the fly) so that it can play the real samples plus the interpolated samples at 44100 Hz while still maintaining the proper pitch of your recording. (whew, that's quite a sentence!) In this case the "interpolation interval" is one fourth (11025/44100 = 1/4) of the sample interval. If your data were sampled at a higher sample rate (like 67 kHz) and you tell the GUS to play it back at 67 kHz, the interpolation interval is approximately one and a half times the sample interval. In this case, with the interpolation interval greater than 1, the GUS will actually skip some "real" samples and interpolate between the remaining "real" samples so that it can play the remaining "real" samples plus the interpolated samples at 44100 Hz while still maintaining the proper pitch of your recording. The GUS actually uses this property to play back interleaved stereo. Imagine you have an interleaved stereo recording that was sampled at 22050 Hz. You tell the GUS to start voice 0 on sample 0, play it at 44100 Hz, and pan it all to the left. You also tell the GUS to start voice 1 on sample 1, play it at 44100 Hz, and pan it all the way to the right. The interpolation interval will be exactly 2, so each voice will play every other sample. Voice 0 will play the even numbered (i.e. left) samples and voice 1 will play the odd numbered (i.e. right) samples. There are a very limited number of sampple rates at which interleaved stereo can work with the GUS. They are 11025 Hz (playback at 22050 Hz), 22050 Hz (playback at 44100 Hz), and 44100 Hz (playback at 88200 Hz). I'm not sure about the last one, 88200 Hz may be beyond the range of the GUS. So, to finally answer your questions, I have not seen this program, but if it is legitimate (i.e. it works and is not a virus), it will not damage your GUS. It will not update the memory on the GUS. It absolutely will not reprogram any EEPROMs on the GUS (there are none!). It will set registers on the GF1 chip (the big square chip that does most of the work) to atypical values to acheive its effect, but these settings will be overwritten by the next GUS program that you run. All in all, (assuming it's not a virus) I would call it harmless and mildly amusing (for about the first 5 minutes). Dave David MacMahon Software Engineer davidm@marcam.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Shawn M. Thomas" Subject: GUS sound in Windows 3.1 After getting gus0038.zip and installing the new windows drivers I have come upon a new problem. When I start up windows the startup .wav plays fine, but if I go to play any .wav or .mid file manually (eg. media player) Windows tells me that the device (sound) is already in use even though there's nothing else open. Has anyone else had this problem? I figured out a temporary patch though... I go to control panel, select the sound menu item, then "test" any of the system sounds. After that everything works fine... weird huh? Also, I'm using RIPbar v1.6 rather than Program Manager for my Windows shell. Don't know why that would affect my sound device though. Thanks for any help in advance... (either post here, or e-mail me directly) Shawn. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:28:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Todd C. Gleason" Subject: Many questions I have a lot of questions: 1) I just installed gus0038 on my system, and now when I load windows, it boots me back out to DOS. I thought this was because of tcp drivers I loaded, so I tried just running win.com. Okay, I got into windows then, realizing the problem was now with the drivers. Wrong. As it happens, whenever I boot dos, windows will boot me the FIRST time I try to load it. The second time (and thereafter) it is just fine. Now I will admit that I was foolish enough to try to install the gus0038 drivers from within windows, causing a system crash, but it seems to me that the real problems would be somewhere with the drivers. Any help on this? 2) I tried running MODUS under windows after installing gus0038, (so it was the ver. 1.5) and it slows down very easily--like when I play with Dashboard or load stuff. I ran a cpu meter, and it says my cpu is 30% full or so when running modus. I figured this was the windows code, so minimized it, with no change. I thought MODUS was supposed to be an efficient GUS player! Do I have something configured wrong? 3) Does anyone have Doom 1.1 registered? A friend of mine is experiencing problems because, even with using IRQ 5 (which worked for the first unregistered doom), there is still no digital sound, only weird noises when the guns are fired. It sounds like midi instruments are being substituted or something--is this a known problem? 4) I need some specifics on the Gravis Ultrasound for business purposes. Can anyone tell me: Whether the Ultrasound can play and record simultaneously Whether the Ultrasound can use 16-bit DMA Where one can find low-level programming information other than the sdk Ordering address and phone # for Gravis A technical contact (again, phone #) at Gravis None of the information should be dos-dependent, as this is for a different OS. Todd C. Gleason Faith, Equilibrium, Understanding--these are a few of the keys to the Way. Unlock the heavy door in your mind and tread past the guardians to discover the greatest secrets of life, the epics which never cease! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 11:44:06 EST From: Hugo Scavino Subject: No MIDI in Win 3.11/GUS 0038 I know I missed all those posts about not getting MIDI output in Windows. I am using the new GUS 0038 drivers which seemed to kill my MIDI. Please someone be nice and tell me how to fix this problem without going back to the old drives. I love the card for the windows/MIDI combination. Thanks in advance Hugo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 11:41:42 +0100 From: rock@POOL.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Jan-Oliver Rock) Subject: OS/2 question Hi out there ! I'm planning on upgrading to OS/2. Thus my question : Does the Ultrasound stuff (drivers, applications, demos, ...) work correctly in Dos/Winos sessions underOS/2 ? Thanx again...Olli ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 19:20:03 CST From: Erick_Bergquist@edtng.Kenosha.WI.US (Erick Bergquist) Subject: PLAYFILE bug! Take 3 This is my third attempt to get a response from this... The new PLAYFILE in GUS0038 is buggy! When you use it, it works fine, but if you try to use PLAYMIDI, DMP, etc... afterwards it locks the system. I verified this bug on my system (aka booted up with just GUS stuff, and various combinations). Also, my friend verified it on his system. My system: 386dx/25 Friends: 486dx2/66 Gravis, when do you expect a bugfix out? Thanks... -- Via DLG Pro v0.995 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=//-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\\-=-=-= ITCnet: 85:872/203 -!- KENOnet: 10:11/0 // The Project Team '93 \\ T 9 Erick_Bergquist@EDTNG.Kenosha.WI.US // CIS Major - Happy GUSing \\ P 3 [------Insert Wise Saying Here------] // Programmer/Artist\Musician \\ T -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=//-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\\-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 94 08:42:23 EDT From: Henrique 'Snoopy' Vianna Subject: Rebel Assault with GUS and more... I've bought Rebel Assault mainly because it claimed to have UltraSound support.... oh boy, WHAT a support! The guys filled up the CD with 400 MB of digitized sound (so this is why they could say in the box: "Soundtrack by John Williams as performed by the London Symphony Orchestra") - how can I feel the GUS "superiority" with no MIDI music?? Anyway, it's a great shoot 'em up game with beautiful movie sequences. The problem is that setting the game for GUS makes it run slower than with my SBPro (shouldn't it to be the other way??! :-) ) and the speeches get simply awfull. Anybody with a similar problem? Now this has nothing to do with the GUS itself, but here comes the interesting part. When I run the game, the most weird problems occur with apparently no logic... sometimes it just doesn't run and give me an "Unexpected interrupt 0C" error; or it runs and hangs up at some random point of the game. I've tried with no QEMM and no SmartDrv but nothing helps. The funny thing is that if I run it from a *Windows DOS prompt* it goes ok, or almost :-o Actually, this is the only way I've been able to play it in the last few days... I remember a similar problem with a demo program that came with my SBPro called Tetra Demo. It is a MOD player that I could only run from a Windows DOS session. Note that both programs I referred are NOT for Windows and actually strongly recommend that you don't run them from Windows. Isn't it REAL strange?? I recently read in a GUS FAQ about the problems with OPTi chipsets (which would have problems in the DMA controllers). Since my computer does use the OPTi chipset, I suspect that this could be the reason of all my problems. I wonder what does Windows do that solves the problem. Any opinion? Thanks, Snoopy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henrique Avila Vianna hvianna@brufpel.bitnet Universidade Federal de Pelotas hvianna@vortex.ufrgs.br Centro de Informatica "Imagination is more important than knowledge" 96010-900 Pelotas, RS BRAZIL - Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:51:53 -0500 (EST) From: Phat H Tran Subject: SBPro --> GUS line in > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 1994 01:52:40 -0600 (CST) > From: Michael Yin > Subject: line in? > > ok, i have both a GUS and a SBPRO installed in my computer...both cards work > perfectly fine, but i want both cards to be routed to my stereo system, so i > tried to stick the output of the SBPRO into the line in of the GUS. Well, that > didn't seem to work. However, if i stick the output of the SBPRO into the > output of the GUS, and then the output of the GUS to the stereo through the > amplified out of the GUS, it all seems to work...does this happen to anybody > else? I have a v2.4 card, and i tried it on my friend's v3.4 card, and the same > things happen. The line in works prefectly fine in USS8 when i hook up a cd > player to the line in, but only after i turn on the line-in through the USS8 > program...the -l option in the ultrinit command doesn't seem to do anything for > me. Just wondering about this strange occurance. I'm not sure it's safe to feed the SBPro's output into the GUS' line out. To get the line in to work, you must use both the -l and -o switches with ultrinit. The -l switch turns the line in on, and the -o switch turns the GUS' output on. > p.s. Is there any difference between routing the SBPRO through the GUS, or vice > versa? I mean, does one way produce less noise, or are they about equal? > If you feed the GUS' output into the SBPro, then you'll always get the SBPro's noise mixed in with the GUS' sound. If you do it the other way around, you have the option of turning off the line in when you don't want the SBPro's noise to contaminate the GUS' output. Phat. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:50:55 -0800 (PST) From: jtang@argon.chem.ucla.edu (James Tang) Subject: Sound Digitizing under Windows environment Hi, I am trying to digitize some sound clips under Windows. However, each time I tried, the computer/windows just hang up. I have tried with various software to see if it was a software problem, but it doesn't seem to be the case. I can digitize fine use USS8 in DOS okay, but I was wondering if anyone have the same problem and how do I go about fixing it? Thanks for you help in advance. james ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 94 17:30 -0800 From: Thomas Wong Subject: Ultrasound Internet Archive Services - Tetris Pro update GRAVIS ULTRASOUND INTERNET ARCHIVES NEWS ============================================================================== FTP Sites Archive Directories --------- ------------------- Main N.American Site: archive.orst.edu pub/packages/gravis wuarchive.wustl.edu systems/ibmpc/ultrasound Main Asian Site: nctuccca.edu.tw PC/ultrasound European Callers ONLY: theoris.rz.uni-konstanz.de pub/sound/gus Submissions: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound/submit Newly Validated Files: archive.epas.utoronto.ca pub/pc/ultrasound Mirrors: garbo.uwasa.fi mirror/ultrasound MailServer For Archive Access: Email to ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK.... seeing as a lot of you out there doesn't know how to use arj with the multiple volume option, the author of Tetris Pro has asked me to redo the tetrisp*.* files into zip files. He's getting 8 to 10 messages a day saying things are not working .... but of course the problem really lies in they're not extracting the files out correctly. So anyways, the long and short of this is.... the files for Tetris Pro under the .../game directory are now tetrisp1.zip and tetrisp2.zip. Remember to pkunzip them with the "-d" option to extract the directory structure as well. Happy GUSing,.... Thomas. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 94 08:41:09 EDT From: Henrique 'Snoopy' Vianna Subject: Ultrinit v2.16 At last! I own a GUS for only fifteen days but I was starting to get disappointed with it... the SB/AdLib emulation really sucks, but hooking the AdLib port addresses in a way that my REAL SBPro couldn't use them was really bad. Finally the UltrInit V2.16 solved this problem... My advice to you guys that don't intend to put your old (and not so old) games away: BUY A REAL SB! ;-) Later, Snoopy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henrique Avila Vianna hvianna@brufpel.bitnet Universidade Federal de Pelotas hvianna@vortex.ufrgs.br Centro de Informatica "Imagination is more important than knowledge" 96010-900 Pelotas, RS BRAZIL - Albert Einstein ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 1994 10:54:40 GMT From: Clarke Brunt Subject: Re: Volume problem To the person who had upgraded to the PatchMaker Lite Windows drivers and had too low volume... Have you done 'Save Settings' or whatever it is called in Mixer? There was a problem with the status of MIC-IN and LINE-IN not being restored correctly, but I thought volume worked OK. You are right that the volume setting in the driver setup has gone. Maybe you should get the gus0038.zip ones - you are bound to want them soon anyway (I haven't dl'ed them myself yet, so don't know which problems they fix). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:35:12 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Bingham Subject: Will Ultima 8 have Gravis UltraSound support? (fwd) I sent this letter to Origin. Tell me what ya'll think, guys. Have I embarrased myself? :-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Bingham To: origin@world.std.com Subject: Will Ultima 8 have Gravis UltraSound support? To Whom It May Concern, I am wondering if Ultima 8 (hopefully soon to be released :) will feature support for the Gravis UltraSound sound card. The UltraSound is a high quality card that deserves as much attention as any Roland or Creative Labs device. It also has quite a bit of grass roots support, particularly on the Internet. Support is also relatively easy to add through the use of the 32 bit AIL drivers (16 bit AIL drivers were utilized in previous Ultimas, although no GUS drivers were included). Not including support will leave 15,000 or more potential users stranded with no sound at all. My understanding is that U8 is a protected mode program, and none of the GUS' emulation solutions will function with a protected mode program running. ========================================================================== Eli Bingham ebingham@tcsgi.mhs.mendocino.k12.ca.us ebingha@ctp.org ========================================================================== "NASA sucks. Huh huh huh, huh huh." "Yeah. Heh heh, heh heh." "They gave us a stupid DN. tcsgi.mhs.mendocino.k12.ca.us. Huh huh huh, huh huh." "Yeah. That sucks! Heh heh, eh heh heh." ------------------------------ End of GUS Daily Digest V11 #8 ******************************