GUS Daily Digest Thu, 24 Nov 94 9:37 PST Volume 16: Issue 24 Today's Topics: 16 bit digital recording on GUS? 16 bit recording on the GUS A.Fist question and GUS back issues Any Action on the GUS front? buying a GUS Buying a GUS soundcard GUS 16 bit recording GUS Daily Digest V16 #23 (5 msgs) GusMax upgrade offer Holiday Greetings mitsumi Phone nos. to order CD Rom from Gravis Problem with Groliers encyclopedia RE : WinDoom trouble with GusMax voice recognition for Gus WinDoom Wing commander Armada Wing Commander III demo CD????? Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 09:51:49 GMT From: Clarke Brunt Subject: Re: 16 bit digital recording on GUS? >If you disconnect the adc from the gus and give it a direct >digital input from for example a cd-player (you'll need a >chip to convert the signal, but that is not too difficult) >it might be possible to record 16 bit with very high quality! If you have a CD that allows audio tracks to be read digitally via the PC bus, then you wouldn't need the GUS - just record the data direct to disk. I believe that some CD drives allow this with special software - I don't know which. Are you talking perhaps of CD players which have a Digital output, but via some sort of cable rather than via the PC bus? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 94 08:59 MET From: hst@mh.nl (Klaas Hemstra) Subject: Re: 16 bit recording on the GUS From: (Martijn de Jong): >I was thinking: >If you disconnect the adc from the gus and give it a direct >digital input from for example a cd-player (you'll need a >chip to convert the signal, but that is not too difficult) >it might be possible to record 16 bit with very high quality! >So you won't need the daughterboard, you'll just need some >other chips (this will be cheaper than the daughterboard!) >and the quality is better! >The problem in here is: Where are the 16 bit lines in the >gus? >any comments on this? Well i think it is possible. But a lot of trouble. If you want to record high quality from CD, it is possible NOW, in SOFTWARE, working on a number of CD-ROM drives. I wrote a program called READCDA, which is available on a number of FTP sites, which makes it possible to record directly (digital) from an audio CD. It works for Panasonic and a number of Sony CD-ROM drives, but NOT with Mitsumi drives (the Mitsumi driver does not support the used READ long driver call). There are other program's that do the same trick for a few SCSI drives and other CD-ROM drives. You record exactly what's on the CD, so the quality is perfect (well, just as perfect as the CD was). Klaas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:15:12 -0800 (PST) From: YOUR WORSE NIGHTMARE!!! Subject: A.Fist question and GUS back issues ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:40:46 +0500 From: iclnl!pvh@relay.NL.net (Pieter van Horssen) Subject: Any Action on the GUS front? Hi all, It looks like there is not much action on the GUS front. I have been missing out the SDK for a very very very long time, is it not produced any more? Any GUSSER still trying 3D sounds production? A worried Gusser Pieter J. van Horssen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:32:06 +0000 From: ndanylcz@Socrates.health.gov.sk.ca (Neil Danylczuk) Subject: buying a GUS George Valaitis squealed... >I am trying to decide if I should buy a GUS soundcard or go with >the "wave" Soundblaster. I have been reading about incompatability >problems, and frankly they worry be as unfixable. >I would like "game" compatability, but I'm willing to sacrifice this >for good MIDI performance. I'm pretty happy with the GUS board I've had for over 2 years now. The MIDI music sounds on a par with the Roland SCC-1, and with use of custom patches, can actually sound better. As for game compatibility, I'd say the GUS can be made to work with 95% of games (or more). Now, that isn't always easy. Sometimes you need to find a patch, or do kooky things like load an older version of EMM or stuff like that. If someone is used to tinkering with their computer, as I am, this is not such a problem. My priorities are 1) sound quality 2) value With the GUS, you get amazing value. It is clearly the best sounding personal sound board. You get General MIDI and Digital in one card. The only comparable setup would be an SB-16 with a Roland GM card in tandem. The competitive wavetable cards that are out now (orchid, ensonic) do not have nearly the instrument quality of the Gravis. The SB-Waveblaster AWE32 products have a different sound that some people prefer, other people hate, but the bottom line is the Creative Labs setup costs at least _double_ the Gravis. The main GUS weaknesses: - Its sound blaster compatibility requires a lot of tinkering to get working. - You should (must?) expand the memory to the full 1 MB for best results. - Some old games don't work properly with it (only a handful and who wants to play that 80's junk anyway) - Some new games don't work until a patch or workaround is released. This usually takes about a month after games are released. The main GUS strengths: - There is a large and dedicated community of users will help you use and exploit the card as you can tell by the FTP sites, this list, etc. - The card has become an unquestioned favorite of the leading edge game developers and programmers. They love it and continue to create software that supports the GUS for one reason - it makes them look and sound good. Doom might be one example. - Probably the best sound of any <$600 sound board. - No dip switches to set, everything is done in software. - You can buy the fully maxxed out GUSMax or save a bundle if you don't need or want the 16-bit recording & CD-rom interface features. Boards like the ensonic that are coming on the scene now probably will not make it. They require similar effort to gain compatibility, but they don't have the built-in support network that has been established for the GUS. ------------------\ /------------------ :::::::::::::::::::: Neil D :::::::::::::::::::: ------------------/ \------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:47 +0000 (WET) From: "Fran the Man..." Subject: Re: Buying a GUS soundcard >I am trying to decide if I should buy a GUS soundcard or go with >the "wave" Soundblaster. I have been reading about incompatability Well the first thing is the _large_ price difference between these two products, which may help your decision somewhat... 8-) >I would like "game" compatability, but I'm willing to sacrifice this >for good MIDI performance. As far as compatability goes, most new games these days are coming out with native support for both cards. However, for older products you'll have to use some form of emulation for the GUS. To tell you the truth, I've had little problems getting emulation with the GUS using MEGAEM, Miles/AIL, or SBOS (as a last resort). You will have the same problems with the AWE. It will give you SB support, but that's not what you want a wavetable card for. The TSR emulation programs for the AWE aren't as sophisticated as the GUS, and give less general MIDI compatibility. Both cards will give you excellent sound quality when used natively. >1. If I get a gravis, will all the adaptors come with the card. >I had to buy a joystick port to MIDI adaptor from Turtle, and it >still isn't here yet. There is a MIDI/Joystick port on the card. You'll need a MIDI adapter if you want to use a MIDI device with your card. This is a simple device with MIDI in, out and through connections. Cheap... >2. Exactly how compatible is the GUS? As far as games are concerned, you can get all the latest information from the G-List via finger::/cmdrdata@fx.net >3. Is their software relatively bug free? Yes. Software is continiously updated and available from ftp::/archive.epas.utoronto.ca. At this stage it's all been well tested. >4. How is their help - really? They have an internet help address which they actually respond to...! A nice change from normal vendor services. Having said that, you can get plenty of advice and help from this mailing list and from the Usenet soundcard groups. People with GUSs are fanatic about them and always willing to help out. >5. What is a good "street" price of a GUS? With MIDI, sample >memory, and the appropriate driving software. I think a 1Mb GUS will set you back about US$140 now, but I'm a bit out of touch with current prices. Computer Shopper will be able to help you there. >6. Has anybody expeienced similar problems with "other" soundcards >and how does problem resolution compare with Gravis? I have had a GUS since the very early days and have had my share of problems with it at first. Most of them were not associated with the card itself. People on the 'net are a great sourch of help and advice with any problem, as you'll find out. >Thanks, You're welcome... Good luck! Fran... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ Francis Crossen, e-mail: FCROSSEN@ccvax.ucd.ie / / Dept. of Civil Engineering, phone: +353-1-706 7367 (w) \ \ University College Dublin, 475 0367 (h) / / Ireland. Save the Smiley...! 8-) \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 08:51:49 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Olsson Subject: GUS 16 bit recording Martijn de Jong writes: > Hi Gussers, > > I was thinking: > If you disconnect the adc from the gus and give it a direct > digital input from for example a cd-player (you'll need a > chip to convert the signal, but that is not too difficult) > it might be possible to record 16 bit with very high quality! > So you won't need the daughterboard, you'll just need some > other chips (this will be cheaper than the daughterboard!) > and the quality is better! > The problem in here is: Where are the 16 bit lines in the > gus? > any comments on this? You don't even need to go through that trouble. There are PD programs out there that grab sound data straight from a CD in your CD ROM drive and store it on your hard disk. I imagine you can use your basic GUS to play that 16bit data after converting it to some common sample file format. I have a Panasonic 562 CD ROM, and for this drive I use a program called cdgrab available via anonymous FTP to ftp.netcom.com//pub/hughem/ get these files: 562b cdgrab.zip cd-to-hd.zip Martin of "Sindy's Dreamroom" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:23:38 -0500 From: GravisTech@aol.com Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V16 #23 This brings me to my questions: 1. If I get a gravis, will all the adaptors come with the card. I had to buy a joystick port to MIDI adaptor from Turtle, and it still isn't here yet. >>The midi adapter does not come with it.. you would need to >>purchase it seperatly... price I believe is $49.95 2. Exactly how compatible is the GUS? >> We have two emulations plus native mode.. we can emulate >>sound blaster and roland and of course the games that run in >>native mode you cannot touch. 3. Is their software relatively bug free? >> Our software is relatively bug free.. there are alway minor >>problems or things that are overlooked but it is pretty good >>software. 4. How is their help - really? >> I think it is excellent (insider opinion).. if oyu ever talked to >>one of the other help desks (Competition) you will find we >>are really very good. 5. What is a good "street" price of a GUS? With MIDI, sample memory, and the appropriate driving software. >> Don't know... 6. Has anybody expeienced similar problems with "other" soundcardsand how does problem resolution compare with Gravis? >> No comment, I will le tother people answer this... Thanks, George >>gravistech@aol.com >>Advanced Gravis Technology ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:56:39 -0500 From: AdvGravis@aol.com Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V16 #23 Warcraft uses the AIL 3.0 drivers. We will release a patch in the next day or so that lets you add in the GUS drivers. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:35:27 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Thomas Brindle Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V16 #23 > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 94 14:58:01 -0500 > From: george@ll.mit.edu (George Valaitis) > Subject: Buying a GUS soundcard > > 1. If I get a gravis, will all the adaptors come with the card. > I had to buy a joystick port to MIDI adaptor from Turtle, and it > still isn't here yet. Well, the GUS has a built in joystick interface. You can buy a little adaptor that works with any UART/MPU 401 MIDI interface, and that adaptor also has two joystick sockets. > 2. Exactly how compatible is the GUS? Well, it's compatible with Roland (any), Sound Blaster, Ad Lib, general MIDI, and, of course, native GUS support. It does Roland or MIDI through a program called Megaem, which works perfectly, but doesn't work with protected mode games. The new version of Megaem will, though. Megaem can also be used in a MIDI/Roland and SB DAC combination. Then there's SBOS, which emulates a SB through SOFTWARE, not hardware. I personally haven't used it very much. It works, but from what I've heard it doesn't sound incredibly good. I *think* the new Megaem will emulate SB, also, which should make things perfect. And, the GUS also comes with its own AIL patches (hard to explain, read the FAQ) > > 3. Is their software relatively bug free? Yes. > 4. How is their help - really? Good. Of course, everything you need to know can probably be answered by asking on this digest or reading the FAQ or manual. > 5. What is a good "street" price of a GUS? With MIDI, sample > memory, and the appropriate driving software. First of all, if you're going to get a GUS, get a GUS MAX. This has higher recording ability, and has twice as much memory as the original GUS. It also has 3 CD-ROM interfaces. I got mine for $175. > 6. Has anybody expeienced similar problems with "other" soundcards > and how does problem resolution compare with Gravis? Yes, my PAS16 had horrible hissing. You can crank the volume all the way up on a GUS, and no hiss, thanks to the DSP chip. Also, my PAS16 had annoying little "click"s and staticy noise. The GUS has none of this. I am overly happy with my GUS (MAX), and I could not reccomend a better card. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Stephen Thomas Brindle |"I have made this letter longer than usual, because ------------------------|I lack the time to make it short." Ethereal Dragon | -Blaise Pascal -==(UDIC)==- | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 01:52:50 -0330 From: Aaron Cameron Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V16 #23 > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 94 14:58:01 -0500 > From: george@ll.mit.edu (George Valaitis) > Subject: Buying a GUS soundcard > > I am trying to decide if I should buy a GUS soundcard or go with > the "wave" Soundblaster. I have been reading about incompatability > problems, and frankly they worry be as unfixable. Are you talking about the SB16 with WaveBlaster daughtercard, or the AWE32? Either way i'd suggest a GUS. I had (still have in a box somewhere) a SB16. I was going to get the WB daughter, 'till i was quoted a price. $305.00!!! Not to mention the $200 or so i paid for the SB16 almost a year ago!! That's 500 dollard PLUS TAX (i live in Newfoundland (gak!), with 20% tax!! (12% pst, 7% gst!)! And the WB is a rom based unit with known bugs! Sure the gus had known bugs (ie incompatibilities), but at least they can be fixed with a little software tinkering! I don't know about the AWE32, save to say that it's a 16 bit (not 32!!!) card, and is basically just the SB16 with the ASP chip ($105 to add that to the SB16!), and the WB daughtercard included on the card. To top it all off (and this is a biggie!) the SB16/AWE32 suck a ROYAL SHITLOAD of CPU power for mixing, whereas the GUS/GUSMAX hog a big ol' whopping 1% of the CPU (compare this to about 15-20% for the SB familly!!!) This is more than just technical manual filler and customer grabbing info, I can HONESTLY say that I've seen a remarkable difference since I bought my GUSMAX. For a die hard gammer (grin), it's almost like a cheap(er) way to upgrade your CPU!! > I would like "game" compatability, but I'm willing to sacrifice this > for good MIDI performance. Got it! > This brings me to my questions: > > 1. If I get a gravis, will all the adaptors come with the card. > I had to buy a joystick port to MIDI adaptor from Turtle, and it > still isn't here yet. Sadly, no. You can buy a midi breakout box from Gravis (or make your own for about 1/4 the cost). I'd be willing to bet (though don't quote me on this) that the box you ordered from Turtle may work with the GUS... but I'm mainly a gammer, not a MIDI expert. > 2. Exactly how compatible is the GUS? Through native support, the gus is 104% compatible. The extra 4% is just for it's amazing sound. Through SBOS and MEGAEM, GUS is compatible with GenMIDI, MT-32 (Roland), Sound Canvas (Roland), MPU-400 or whatever that one is called, and (of course) the poor old SB cards. The emulators have some trouble running with a few programs, but in all, I'd say it's about 90% sucessful with non-GUS supporting software. > 3. Is their software relatively bug free? Well if you encounter any bugs, they're probably not in the GUS software. And if they are? Who cares. Live with it for a little while 'till Gravis posts a fix for it. You see, you won't have to look far for the latest GUS drivers. Where's Creative Labs FTP site? They don't even have a friggin e-mail address! > 4. How is their help - really? To be blunt... the best I've ever seen. In my plethera of hardware, the GUS is the ONLY appliance that I can get FREE tech support with. Creative labs has no email, no ftp... I'd have to call LD to talk to a tech dude! No thanks. I've written the gus techies a lot of email (sorry guys :+) ), and they always answer back in a day or 2. In all, the best tech support i've ever seen. (I won't even START about Panasonic's tech support... ik!) > 5. What is a good "street" price of a GUS? With MIDI, sample > memory, and the appropriate driving software. The GUS MAX retails for 299.00 here in NF, but I bet you could get it a lot cheaper anywhere else in Canada (or the states). Gravis will send you one for 299 plus shipping, but if you're in college, then you can probably get it for about 250 or less (educational discount!). A regular GUS... not sure of the retail. Well under 200 would be my guess, but i don't know. For the RAM upgrade... son't ask me. Like i said, I live in Newfoundland. Nobody here has even HEARD of a 256k X 16bit 40 pin DRAM chip! If i lived in a real province, i wouldn't expect to pay more that $25 for it, though. > 6. Has anybody expeienced similar problems with "other" soundcards > and how does problem resolution compare with Gravis? Simmilar probs like those you mentioned above (snipped for space)? Never. Those other cards must've been cursed! It's unreal to have that many bugs! Like I said... if you find a bug, email Gravis. They help! > PS: If anybody cares, I have a Gateway 2000 4DX66 with 16 Meg of > memory, two hard drives, and smartdrive installed. There is no > TSR stuff and I'm running DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1. Tip: get DOS 6.2x. It's much better than 5.0. Bitchin setup though! (not familiar with Gateway, but that shouldn't make a dif unless it uses the old OPTi chipsets!). OVERALL--> I'd recommend the GUS to ALMOST everyone. If you don't know what an IRQ or DMA is, then maybe it would be best not to get a GUS. I'm not saying the GUS is a pain to get working... just that if you don't know a shit about computers and how to change settings (no jumpers) and the like, stil with the PC internal speaker or the AdLib or something. The GUS will more than likely require more tweeking than a computer illeterate can handle (but then again, so does Windows, Wordperfect, and every coundcard on the market except the AdLib). Happy GUSing. If you still don't want one, get ahold of the Ultrasound Experience demo on CD. You can run it through any soundcard (with cdrom drive attached and the windows MCI-CDaudio driver loaded) or just play it through any audio cd player. I tell you, everything you hear is real. They didn't jazz up the sound AT ALL from what it sounds like comming from the actual GUS card! Seriously!!! AC /---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | *** ***** WELCOME TO MY WORLD! | | ***** *********** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | ** ** ***** *** It's really not that bad... | | *** *** **** once you get used to it! | | *********** **** | | ************* ***** *** ---------> Aaron Cameron <--------- | | **** **** *********** Memorial University of Newfoundland | | ***** ***** ***** ---> acameron@europa.cs.mun.ca <--- | \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:02:00 -0800 From: david.wei@bbs.uniserve.com (David Wei) Subject: GUS Daily Digest V16 #23 Message-ID: <2ad.1098.47@bbs.uniserve.com> GD> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 12:28:22 MET GD> From: (Martijn de Jong) GD> Subject: 16 bit digital recording on GUS? GD> Hi Gussers, GD> I was thinking: GD> If you disconnect the adc from the gus and give it a direct GD> digital input from for example a cd-player (you'll need a GD> chip to convert the signal, but that is not too difficult) GD> it might be possible to record 16 bit with very high GD> quality! GD> So you won't need the daughterboard, you'll just need some GD> other chips (this will be cheaper than the daughterboard!) GD> and the quality is better! GD> The problem in here is: Where are the 16 bit lines in the GD> gus? I recommend you to use ANOTHER PCB or just use a serial port, incase you damage your beloved GUS (the lines can be fried EASILY). I think your idea is pretty good thou..... L8r ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- david.wei@bbs.uniserve.com (David Wei) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:30:21 -0600 (CST) From: Siu-fung Lee Subject: GusMax upgrade offer I've been tempted to order a GusMax, but I'd also like to order one for a friend. Anyways, on the bottom of the offer, it says "Limit one per customer." Does this mean limit of one *order* per customer or one GusMax? Anyone have a clue? |\ /\ | Siu-Fung Lee CompSci IV, University of Manitoba | \/ \| umlee182@mira.cc.umanitoba.ca I'm story writing... life and time-space are put on hold. Ack! "Like I say to everyone, the size of the Sony sign tells how big, cool and hi-tech the city is. In Hong-Kong, go up to Victoria Peak and look way down... wow, it's huge! In Winnipeg, we have a little billboard." - From the text, My Life as a Nut in a Nutshell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:21:53 -0800 (PST) From: Shannon Miller Subject: Holiday Greetings Hey out there, Gussers! Thanks for continuing to make this sound card fly, and have a happy Thanksgiving! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:58:25 +0100 (MET) From: Danny Greefhorst Subject: mitsumi I have a Gravis Ultrasound 3.4 and a Mitsumi FX001D. Now my problem is that I can't get my DS cdrom working at 300 kb/s, it only works at 150 kb/s. I tried a different cdrom drive and it gives the same problem. Anyone knows what to do? please e-mail! -- Danny Greefhorst(dgreefho@cs.ruu.nl) | Utrecht University As a finishing touch, | Department of Computer Science God created the Dutch... | The Netherlands ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 94 08:47:45 PST From: Rick Skalsky Subject: Phone nos. to order CD Rom from Gravis Does anyone have the 800 sales number for purchasing the CD rom? If no 800 number, how about the regular sales number? Thanks in advance. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:37:11 +0100 From: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum) Subject: Problem with Groliers encyclopedia I bought Groliers encyclopedia this weekend (v. 6) and It looks nice, but I have a problem with the animations. They come out distorted in both sound and image. It looks to me as if there might be some buffering problem. The sound hiccups and pieces are played twice in succession. The image has stripes in it. If I go directly to the CD and play the .avi filkes through the Media player, they are OK, although occasionally the CD can't keep up with the playing. I have a double speed CD-ROM (Panasonic), and a Gravis Ultrasound Max. Any idea what I can do about this? -- Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, (*`Pete') Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands. Telephone: +31 30 531806 Telefax: +31 30 513791 Internet: piet@cs.ruu.nl PGP public key by finger or WWW http://www.cs.ruu.nl/~piet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 19:47 GMT From: tbone@cix.compulink.co.uk (Chris Totten) Subject: RE : WinDoom Yeah, I'd like to experience this myself. The last time I heard about it though it sounded like a comercial product - seemingly the guys at Microsoft wrote it themselves with help from Id. Don't you think it would be a *great* idea if the first few levels were free, a'la DOOM I (hint hint Id)... :) // tbone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 94 8:15:56 MET From: LAUNOIS-VINCENT Subject: trouble with GusMax Hello, I've just bought a Gus Max in Paris and I can hear some parasite noises with midi files. I put the midi level at 0dB and there's also noises (but less) when it plays a lot of notes at the same time. Is a 486DX33 too slow to run with gusmax or is it a problem of isolation of the card. If someone has the answer, please email me at launoisv@esiee.fr Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 09:37:08 +0000 From: ndanylcz@Socrates.health.gov.sk.ca (Neil Danylczuk) Subject: voice recognition for Gus SIMEN LOKEN HAAGENRUD squawked... >I was wondering if anyone knew about a program for voice recognition >in Windows for Gravis? >I'll be really happy if anyone knew of a shareware or freeware >program, but since I am not THAT blueeyed (or stupid) I would be glad >if it was a commercial program out too. The best demo of voice recognition that I've tried is Incubed (in3) for Windows. I'm sure it is available on the GUS ftp sites. As a shareware/freeware version, it can be trained to recognize 12 commands. The registered version was (as I recall) fairly expensive, but allowed you to train almost 2 hundred words in a set, and you could link more than one set together (??? not sure about these details - I tried it about 2 years ago and was very impressed.) ------------------\ /------------------ :::::::::::::::::::: Neil D :::::::::::::::::::: ------------------/ \------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 09:27:53 +0000 From: ndanylcz@Socrates.health.gov.sk.ca (Neil Danylczuk) Subject: WinDoom M.Irwin babbled: >Ok, I've seen a lot of information being said about WinG and >and games that use it. I for one would *love* to see WinDoom! >I know several people have expressed interest in this and no one >seems to be providing. > >My question specifically: WinDoom - Where is it? > >Is it commercial? Shareware? Vaperware? (as of today?) > (from the latest DOOM FAQ) *5-7*: What is WinDOOM? ======================= Here is the latest information on WinDOOM, direct from Microsoft. - WinDOOM is a joint effort of id Software and Microsoft. Microsoft is doing most of the porting work. - WinDOOM is a Win32 application. It runs under Windows NT and Windows 4.0. - WinDOOM uses the recently announced WinG libraries. - WinDOOM supports full music and sound and supports all Windows MIDI and WAVE devices. - WinDOOM has variable resolution. WinDOOM can render the display at 320x200 through 640x400. Resolutions greater than 640x400 are performed via "stretching" (this is a limitation of the DOOM engine) - WinDOOM supports network play via WinSOCK (TCP/IP) and NetBIOS (NetBeui, IPX, etc.) - WinDOOM supports any display with at least 256 colors. - WinDOOM is multithreaded so if you're running under a multiprocessor machine you'll see a significant speed increase. - WinDOOM will support DEC Alpha and MIPS RISC machines. ------------------\ /------------------ :::::::::::::::::::: Neil D :::::::::::::::::::: ------------------/ \------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:25:00 -0500 From: arg2@po.cwru.edu (Adam Glick) Subject: Wing commander Armada i just got wing commander armada but i can't get it to work. i can do general midi with megaem adn emuset but i can't get the sb emulation to work. i got a max with 1 meg. anyone have any sudgestions? thanks -Adam arg2@po.cwru.edu 'The only exact science is hindsight.' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:18:17 MST From: "Dean C. Johnson" Subject: Re: Wing Commander III demo CD????? >Where or how do I obtain the Wing Commander III demo CD????? Both CD-ROM Today issue 6 and PC Gamer issue ? (the first CD-ROM issue) have a CD-ROM included with the magazine with the demo on it among many others. They cost US$6.95 on the newstand, and are worth subscribing to, IMHO. Some of the lateset demos that I have enjoyed off of these CD-ROMs are: Relentless - fantastic! BlackThorne Hell Dragon Lore -Dean ------------------------------ From: (null) Does anyone know if the patch for Armoured Fist is available? Thanks. As for the Daily Digest Back issues, these are what I have right now: Back issues of | Back issues of GUS Daily Digest: | GUS Musician's Digest ------------------------+---------------------- Volume 15 #23,24 | Volume 10 #7-18 Volume 16 #4,5,8-22 | If you wish to request a back issue of the Digest or a list of back issues I have available, e-mail to me Be sure to indicate which Digest you want (GUS Daily Digest or GUS Musician's Digest) BTW, if you have any back issues that is not on my list, please e-mail them to me. If you noticed, I do not have any back issues of the sdk digest. If you have those, please e-mail them to me, too. I'll start archiving them. Thanks, -George ------------------------------ End of GUS Daily Digest V16 #24 *******************************