GUS Daily Digest Wed, 7 Dec 94 9:37 PST Volume 17: Issue 7 Today's Topics: A+ Response AMD's Wavetable Audio Chips BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK CD ROM interface for GUS Digest Problems Fixed! gus+sb16 GUS Daily Digest V17 #4 GUS Daily Digest V17 #6 (2 msgs) Kyrandia 3 OS/2's Windoze GUS sound OS/2 Warp Drivers OS/2 WARP misinformation REbel Assult Question w/ GUS Windows drivers + Myst Windows Problems XCOM and Theme Park Standard Info: - Meta-info about the GUS can be found at the end of the Digest. - Before you ask a question, please READ THE FAQ. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 20:49:49 -0700 (MST) From: Brandon Balliett Subject: A+ Response I was the one that posted about the DRAM chip bending thinger the other day. =) Anyhow, I got a DRAM diagnostic thing, and it said that BANK3 at around 100xxx bytes was bad. I was freakin out, so I opened it up, and touched the chip.. and it practically fell out. The only problem was it wasn't inserted all the way. Now everything is fine, and it passed all the DRAM diagnostic stuff. I'd like to thank everyone who helped me out.. I was amazed at the response I got. I must of gotten at least 4, or 5 replies. So.. no more questions. FOr the time being. ;) The Countdown Begins Three, Two, One.. -Zer0 [Epinicion] Trakkah, and PROUD GUS owner.. it's the card of the future. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 00:06:18 +0100 From: Stig Arne Olsen Subject: AMD's Wavetable Audio Chips About a week ago I saw an announcement on Clarinet News that AMD has made some new chips, "InterWave IC family of chips" for interactive wavetable audio. Now, didn't AMD and Gravis make some kind of deal a while ago, and if so is this the result of his cooperative work, or have AMD done this on their own? The wavetable part seems very "gus-ish", don't you think? Stig A. Olsen stigo@ifi.uio.no ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 10:33:19 GMT From: Clarke Brunt Subject: Re: BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK I am probably not the only one getting annoyed by BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK and 12 lines of rubbish attached to messages. I'm sure that PGP *is* good for something, but I haven't researched it, so I don't know what it is. I suspect that this stuff is mainly there for show - you get flamed if you have more than 4 lines of sig, so why are 12 lines of garbage OK unless what was being said was in any way private? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 17:07:45 CST From: cardona@rwasic23.aud.alcatel.com (Gabe Cardona) Subject: CD ROM interface for GUS Does anyone know if Gravis sells the CD ROM Interface daughter card for the GUS, and if so for how much???? Gabe Cardona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:28:30 +0000 From: Vince Chan Subject: Re: Digest Problems Fixed! Date: Mon, 5 Dec 94 14:02:24 GMT From: csfb1!csfp.co.uk!pcunnell@uunet.uu.net (Paul Cunnell) Subject: Re: Digest Problems Fixed! On Dec 4, 11:32, GUS Musician's Server wrote: > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:56:23 -0800 (PST) > From: Vince - IE - Experimental Mail Server Admin Acct > Subject: Digest Problems Fixed! > > Hi everyone, > > Hopefully the Digest problem is fixed once and for all [...] > Cheers, > Vince Might it not be a good idea to fix the digestifier to filter out any submissions containing the Digest header text? i.e. Well, this is not possible since I did not write the program and there is no current way of doing it since the digest program just takes the input file and change it to the output file and then sends it out so that's the reason for it so unless you or someone else happen to know how to write a hack or whatever to Dave DeBry's mailserv program, then there is no way around it until the Majordomo server is updated on the server machine since life is never perfect, don't expect the list to be either since I am a full time student and finals are coming up. "GUS Musician's Digest Sun, 4 Dec 94 11:32 PST Volume 11: Issue 4 " "Today's Topics: If any such 'suspect' entries were forwarded to the digest admin, then that would identify any 'rogue' subscriptions quickly, without bothering everyone on the list. There are no such things as suspect entries because some people simply would type anything for the subject and send it in and some people would type nothing for the subject header but I for one am unable to be able to edit the digest until it goes out since I have classes in the morning. Paul. -- Paul Cunnell CSFB FOS (csfp.co.uk!pcunnell@fir.fbc.com) +44 71 516 2946 Cheers, Vince E-mail: vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu,\|/ Sys Adm - CircleStar Technologies,Inc. root@berkeley.circlestar.com,(o o) San Francisco, California USA _________________________oOO__(_)__OOo_____________________________ | There are many forms of science but only physics is the quantum | | leap of the 21st Century. | \_________________________________________________________________/ uPoy@physics.ucla.edu UCLA Physics Los Angeles, California USA GUS Digest Adminstrator Advanced Gravis UltraSound Card - The ultimate in soundcard technology ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:44:46 GMT From: KYH Subject: gus+sb16 Hello there. I am one of those people who have just had it with GUS's Sound Blaster support and went on to get a Sound Blaster 16. Problem..... how do I get Windows 3.11 to work with both Sound Blaster 16 and the GUS? If there is a way, please....tell me!!!! Is there a way I can get my hands on the GUS support for Under a Killing Moon? It did not come with the game and I was wondering if I could get it from some ftp site. Thanks to whoever who can help me. (I notice lots of questions in the Digest but unfortunately very few answers.) Sean Koh email: kyh@fs2.ee.umist.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:39:31 +0000 From: Vince Chan Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #4 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 17:18:12 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Thomas Brindle Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #4 > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:56:23 -0800 (PST) > From: Vince - IE - Experimental Mail Server Admin Acct > Subject: Digest Problems Fixed! > > Hi everyone, > > Hopefully the Digest problem is fixed once and for all as some > idiot subscribed the gus digest address to the list so that when the > digest gets sent to the digest address, it is in the buffer of the > outgoing digest and then will be in the next days digest. Oh well, must > be one of those SB or AWE owners on the loose! Anyways, if this happens > again, please let me know. Thanks. Well good you got that fixed. In the future you should consider adding some sort of way to prevent that from happening. Or, if that's not possible to do with this kind of mailing list, maybe you should make de-automate it, so that you personally have to approve all subscribe requests. There is no way I can prevent this from happening as the mailserv software is written by Dave DeBry and also, if I deautomate it, you may not see the digest for a long time since at certain times during the year, I am extremely busy taking exams and studying since I am a full time student but we will be moving to Majordomo shortly. Also, why didn't the digest just fill up completely? If the digest was subscribed to itself, then all messages going to it would have bounced back and forth in an infinte loop. That's because that's what you didn't understand. Pay Attention next time. all the addresses at mail.orst.edu are really pointing to: mailserv@mail.orst.edu whether it is gus-X which goes to the input file or gus-X-request which goes to the server to handle subscribe/unsubscribe requests and gus-X-owner which goes to the real mailbox. If the digest gets sent to gus-general@mail.orst.edu, it goes to the input file which will be the output file when it is used for sending the digest out and also before, the mail bounced from mcimail.com that was where the original one is so you sort of get the idea that it gets sent to gus-general which will goto a loop in the next days digest so it's just like posting the previous days digest in the next days digest until I had time to delete all the extra stuff in the input file. The digest is sent from gus-general-request@mail.orst.edu for a reason so that any bounces would goto that address. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Stephen Thomas Brindle |"I have made this letter longer than usual, because ------------------------|I lack the time to make it short." Ethereal Dragon | -Blaise Pascal -==(UDIC)==- | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cheers, Vince E-mail: vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu,\|/ Sys Adm - CircleStar Technologies,Inc. root@berkeley.circlestar.com,(o o) San Francisco, California USA _________________________oOO__(_)__OOo_____________________________ | There are many forms of science but only physics is the quantum | | leap of the 21st Century. | \_________________________________________________________________/ uPoy@physics.ucla.edu UCLA Physics Los Angeles, California USA GUS Digest Adminstrator Advanced Gravis UltraSound Card - The ultimate in soundcard technology ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 14:35:53 EST From: "Burns Fisher, VMS Development 06-Dec-1994 1432" Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #6 >From: Samuel Marshall >Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #5 > >> From: Brandon Balliett >> Subject: a >> > Subject: GUS / OS2 warp.... >> >> I suggest Advanced Gravis to concentrate on making reliable driver >> on Win32 platforms rather than wasting their energe and time. > >Win32 platforms = NT. Chicago still uses the 3.1-style drivers, from what >I've heard. (not that it wouldn't be a good idea to have nt drivers, >they're bound to be needed some day) Well, not quite. Chicago will run 3.1-style drivers, but they are not as efficient (as I understand it) because the OS has to do some conversion. I don't remember if it is THUNKing arguments or switching to virtual 286 mode or just what, but there IS a new driver format that will work more efficiently with Chicago (not to mention plug and play, etc). However, that said, even though I don't have any expectation of using OS/2, I think it would behoove Gravis to finish the OS/2 drivers first. That's because OS/2 users don't have any Gravis driver, while Windows 95 users will have to Win3.1 driver which will work, if somewhat sub-optimally. Burns ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: "" Subject: Re: GUS Daily Digest V17 #6 > The Power Patch CD-ROM is a treasure trove of over 750 sampled instrument, > drum and sound effect patches for the UltraSound card. Since the UltraSound > card stores its samples in RAM, users can replace or add instrument and drum > sounds at will from the collection. Included on the CD are many drum kits, > ethnic and unusual instrument sounds, variations of the stock General MIDI > sounds, popular analog synthesizers, sound effects and much more. Doesthe CD-ROM contains all of the patches for all of the melodic and percussion banks? If so, then GUS is one step closer to being a GS compatible card. Now, if only Advanced Gravis will release a new driver (or a new version of playmidi) that supports incremental bank switching. Now that would make it a killer card. -George ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:08:25 EST From: Hal Black Subject: Kyrandia 3 Hello! Does anyone know if Kyrandia 3 has GUS support, and if so, how does it sound? Is it full, native mode support? (I am speaking of the CD-ROM version - not that I know that there is a disk version) Anyway, please reply to the digest. Hal -- | Wacky Hall Bean | sylk@mik.uky.edu | Entitlements kill | GAT d* p+---* c++(++++) l u+(++) e+* m++(-) s+/ n++(-) (?)h(--) f*@ ((!))g w t+(++) r(++) y ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:43:44 -0500 (EST) From: gt0074b@prism.gatech.edu Subject: OS/2's Windoze GUS sound I've considered getting OS/2 for quite a while, but the biggest thing that's keeping me back is the lack of VxD support for Windows programs under OS/2, which means no sound for Windoze apps. Has this changed under Warp? Will VxD support be added anytime soon? I'd love to dump Windoze, but there are just too many powerful apps for it, and I want sound! P.Chen gt0074b@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:12:08 -800 (PST) From: Matt Bachand Subject: OS/2 Warp Drivers Message-ID: I also would like to say I am a proud owner/user of WARP. I really want the os/2 drivers to come out so I don't have to dual boot to windows to do some function that requires windows sound. I hope these new drivers will have 100%windows support, right? please? I really don't want to trush windows to dos anymore because it is much less stable than through windows... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:15:56 -0500 (EST) From: "K.S. Holly" Subject: OS/2 WARP misinformation > I don't want to start OS wars here, but forget Warp, if have less than > 8M bytes. I have 386/25 with 8 M bytes, but its interactive response > was so slow ( I mean when you move mouse to other windows and click buttons, > ..etc.) - and I was not even running any applications. > The response was always one step behined which was very annoying and > gave me a feeling that I was running Windows/NT on PC/XT with 512K :). > I also expected a lot from warp, but I was so disappointed and returned it > to MicroCenter. > > I suggest Advanced Gravis to concentrate on making reliable driver > on Win32 platforms rather than wasting their energe and time. > I know this doesn't belong here so I'll be brief.... OS/2 Warp was designed specifically to run fast with only 4 meg of ram. The fact that you have a SLOW 386 (25 mhz? get real...) is the reason it doesn't work well on your machine. Get yourself a serious machine if you want to run a serious OS. I'm surprised that MicroCenter accepted your return. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:38:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Jesse Ozog (GE)" Subject: Re: REbel Assult Question w/ GUS Running my Reble Assult on a 486sx25 8 megs runs fine. I increased the audio buffers to it's maximum, and the only slowdown occurs when the CD is doing a hardcore read (data transfer)). So on my 3x speed drive things run pretty smoothly. If you are still using the version of the software that came with the CD, then send me some personal e-mail, and I'll send ver 1.7 to you through the net. Jesse Ozog GUS advocate. -=:ozog@suntan.eng.usf.edu:=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:29:11 +0100 (MET) From: Espen Wang Andreassen Subject: Re: Windows drivers + Myst > I have tried to update my windows drivers (to V5.46). After that the sounds > of Myst game is not OK. Some sound are missing totally and some are beebs. I > have also tried to use some older drivers (for example V5.40), but the > resalt is same. Got the same problem. I tried various drivers before i landed on the one in GUS0035.ZIP (found on one of the FTP sites..). It works as it should. I don't know if it's newer than the one you found, though. > problem about patyches. Is it possible to get myst work with new Windows > drivers or must I use old ones ? I've tried all possible configurations, but didn't make it. (Somebody else...?) - Espen - espeand@ifi.uio.no - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:11:28 -0600 (CST) From: Left Tackle Subject: Windows Problems I'm still having a version mismatch error with my GUS in Windows. The error message when i enter Windows reads "Version Mismatch error between ULTRASND.DRV and GRVSULTR.386", and then a "GUS not enabled" message, which is I guess a result of the mismatch. Now, I've tried a few things to see if I could get rid of this. First, I downloaded GUS0042.ZIP, which was updated windows drivers. That didn't help. I deleted my entire GUS directory and those two files from my windows/system directory, and re-installing the entire 3.53 disks again. No help. I dunno what's going on. If anybody has any other ideas, please tell me, because I need Windows to get Cool Wave editor running, and some multimedia stuff if I get a new CD-ROM controller. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 94 17:10:34 EDT From: Huy_Nguyen@eyenet.north.net (Huy Nguyen) Subject: XCOM and Theme Park Hello... yes, I know that this has been asked before, but because all the Digests have been bouncing around, I missed the message on this topic. Can anybody get X-Com to work with the UltraSound properly? I can sometimes get the digital sound to work, but there's no option in the setup to select the GUS for music! How can I solve this? Also.. the game freezes when I go to a ground mission with Gravis sound selected. If I don't use any sound, then the game works fine... And for Theme Park.. well, this is really strange. Theme Park, on the box (or at least on the box I have), says it supports the Gravis UltraSound. Yet unfortunately, when I installed it, there was no option for using Gravis UltraSound. Any attempt to use SBOS failed, at least for me. How much does a RAM expansion chip for the Gravis UltraSound MAX cost (512KB?) Thanks for helping.. ___ TTYL.... Huy Nguyen North York, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 18:26:29 +0100 From: chtruyen@vub.ac.be (Truyens Carlo) Hi, I own : - American Megatrends 1990 bios - 486 dx2 66mhz - 16 mb ram - paradise (WD) windows accel. card - nuvotel 14.4IFX fax/modem - 340 mb WD harddisk - 540 mb Maxtor harddisk - LogiTech Scanman Plus - Colorado TapeStreamer 250 mb/120 mb and finally : - Advanced Gravis Ultrasound MAX Soundcard with 1024K ram My AUTOEXEC.BAT : @SET ULTRASND=220,5,6,7,5 @SET ULTRA16=32C,0,0,1,0 @SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 T1 @SET ULTRADIR=D:\ULTRASND @SET GUSMOD=D:\ULTRASND\MOD @D:\ULTRASND\ULTRINIT.EXE -ej PATH=%PATH%;D:\ULTRASND GOTO %CONFIG% :QEMM SET MOUSE=C:\LMOUSE SET TEMP=D:\TEMP SET PGPpath=C:\TERM\PGP SET DIRCMD=/ON @ECHO OFF C:\QEMM\LOADHI /RF C:\DOS\SMARTDRV.EXE C:\QEMM\LOADHI /RF C:\LMOUSE\MOUSE.COM C:\QEMM\LOADHI /RF C:\DOS\KEYB.COM BE C:\QEMM\LOADHI /RF C:\DOS\SHARE.EXE /L:500 /F:5100 C:\QEMM\LOADHI /RF C:\DOS\DOSKEY.COM C:\QEMM\LOADHI /RF C:\VESA.EXE PATH C:\;C:\DOS;C:\TOOLS;C:\WINDOWS;C:\QEMM;C:\VIRUS5;C:\DISKDUPE;C:\EXPRESS;C:\PCT;C:\TP7\TP\BIN;C:\TERM\PGP;D:\ULTRASND;.. cls goto QUIT :XMS PATH C:\;C:\DOS;C:\TOOLS;C:\WINDOWS;C:\QEMM;C:\VIRUS5;C:\DISKDUPE;C:\EXPRESS;C:\PCT;..;D:\ULTRASND keyb be C:\DOS\DOSKEY.COM cls goto QUIT :EMS PATH C:\;C:\DOS;C:\TOOLS;C:\WINDOWS;C:\QEMM;C:\VIRUS5;C:\DISKDUPE;C:\EXPRESS;C:\PCT;..;D:\ULTRASND lh c:\dos\keyb be cls lh c:\lmouse\mouse goto QUIT :QUIT -)> AUTOEXEC.BAT ends. My CONFIG.SYS : [menu] MENUITEM=QEMM,QEMM Configuration MENUITEM=XMS,XMS Pure Configuration MENUITEM=EMS,EMS/XMS Configuration MENUCOLOR=15,1 MENUDEFAULT=normal,3 [QEMM] DEVICE=C:\QEMM\DOSDATA.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE rem break=on dos=high,umb SET LOADHIDATA=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.RF DEVICE=C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS RAM ROM ST:M EXCLUDE=B000-C0FF RF DEVICE=C:\QEMM\DOS-UP.SYS @C:\QEMM\DOS-UP.DAT DEVICE=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\QEMM\QDPMI.SYS SWAPFILE=DPMI.SWP SWAPSIZE=1024 SHELL=c:\qemm\loadhi.com /RF c:\dos\command.com c:\dos\ /p /e:512 STACKS=0,0 DEVICE=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS DEVICE=C:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /RF C:\HHSCAND.SYS /A=280/I=11/D=3/H=4:8&:12:16/W=103/T=15 FILES=30 BUFFERS=30 [XMS] DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS [EMS] DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS device=c:\dos\emm386.exe on devicehigh=c:\dos\ansi.sys FILES=80 BUFFERS=30 -)> CONFIG.SYS ends. Problem (1) : Sometimes, when I rerun the setup software because of an error in a game, I get after a test : "dma bad data compare (read)" at the SBOS test & GUS DMA test. I wrote to the digest, and there were 2 replies : one saying I had to send back my GUS MAX to gravis, and another saying the bios was pestering me. So on the last advice I changed my clock (which was at 1/6 ACLK) to 1/3 ACLK. The problem was still there. I tried 1/4 and it was gone. After a while the problem returned and I put it back to 1/6. The problem wasn't gone. Putted it back to 1/4. Problem dissapeared. Problem (2) : In DOS I can easily record samples using FastTracker 2 or X-Tracker, or even the Ultrasound Sound Studio (bonus disks) or something similar. When I start windows, and I try to record using any program like, Wave Lite, Audio Lab, ... I get nothing but noise and maybe, yes, very far I hear a peep & click of the original sound. I tried experimenting with the mixer, but nothing did change. I thought it must be the DMA channels or something, but all MIDI files play properly. I didn't have the occasion to test WAV playback in windows yet. I also know another friend who got Problem (1), and got a 'Parity Error'. Last Note : Please write drivers for games like Myst, 7th Guest, 11th Hour, Warcraft, and don't distribute textfile how-to-patch-games-yourself. Better give us an EXE file containing everything, which searches the drivers in every game, and substitutes everything like it should. Make games support NATIVE gus. Write to computer magazines like PC-Magazine in Belgium, and Personal Computer Magazine in The Netherlands. I'm sure that way more people can enjoy the GUS (MAX). Sincerely & looking forward to an answer, - Carlo Truyens. ------------------------------ End of GUS Daily Digest V17 #7 ******************************